No, Gerald. I said people drive without licenses. Thats just a fact, jack.
I do believe that a driver's license is a skills and knowledge test, and
should be viewed that way.
Gerald Magnuson wrote:
Booth, wasn't it you that said something about people will break the law
any way, so we might as well give them the drivers licenses?
Gerald Magnuson
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:43 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
??? errr.... huh??
Voter qualifications
To register to vote, you must be:
1. A U.S. citizen
2. At least 18 years old by Election Day
<http://www.voterinfonet.com/sub/deadlines.asp>
3. A resident of your precinct at least 30 days prior to an election
<http://www.voterinfonet.com/sub/deadlines.asp>
What is Item 1, Paul?
Why do you believe this allows non-citizens to vote? I gotta say - I
am totally confused by your stance on this, Paul. I see no support at
all for your position that Chicago allows non-citizens to vote.
Paul Nelson wrote:
You're sending me $1000, but you won't take my word for the
registration
requirements? Makes me wonder.
http://www.voterinfonet.com/sub/register.asp
Look at the form link
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:14 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
No, Paul, I don't have to do it. You made a statement that is
probably
not true, didn't back it up, and now expect me to believe it? Why?
Paul Nelson wrote:
I don't live there anymore. You'll have to do the legwork yourself.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
Your support for that, Paul, besides "Even the dead vote there".
Where does the Chicago Law state tyat all thats needed to vote is a
license, apparently;y not even an Illinois license is ID enough?
Paul Nelson wrote:
Chicago.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:09 PM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
I stop at your first statement. Please name one single place where
having a legal identification is all thats needed to vote?
Please name one. At that point I will begin to accept some of the
rest
of your argument.
Rich Rijnders wrote:
I can't be any clearer, but I will try again.
It has everything to do with giving them driver's licenses because
licenses are LEGAL identification. In most states, that is ALL that
is
required to cast a ballot. No LEGAL ID = NO VOTE / LEGAL ID = VOTE.
You have it ass-backward; giving them drivers licenses has nothing
to do
with legalizing their driving. Your argument is that giving them
drivers
licenses will make them visible. How? The plan was just to stop
requiring
proof of residence, so everyone will get a license but you will have
no
way
of identifying who is legal and who is not. It would in no way
identify
them
or make them "visible" (whatever that means).
Ask yourself what benefit there is to giving illegals a legal
license
and
ID? All you've done is legalize their illegal behavior (driving).
If
they
are caught driving without a license now, they don't get arrested or
deported. So if you give them a license then what? When they get
pulled
over
for speeding, they just get a ticket for speeding instead of one for
speeding and one for driving without a license. Big whoop. Where is
the
big
"visibility" benefit?
Insurance? Trust me, giving them a license is NOT going to make
them run
out and get insurance, either. Driving without insurance is illegal,
but
they do that, too. Ask anyone in CA where having uninsured motorist
coverage is a necessity. Even if you get hit by someone WITH a
license,
you
have 50/50 chance that they are not insured. If their license is
taken
away,
they drive anyway.
So let's see.
It won't increase "visibility" because it won't identify them as
illegal
No benefit to them being "visible" anyway
Won't make them go out and get insurance, as can be seen in CA and
other
states
Oh, but they WILL be able to cast ballots...
Clear enough?
----- Original Message ----
From: Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users <cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:37:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
Rich, lets assume that you and I agree on everything you write
here.
But... what does that have to do with illegals and driving
licenses?
if the system is so bad that dead people can vote, then the system
is
bad enough that illegals can vote if they wish. Drivers licenses
will
not affect that in any way.
Rich Rijnders wrote:
Every year THOUSANDS of applications get through and put on
the
rolls. Even dead people. In Chicago there were over 1000
registered
phantom
voters at one two-bedroom house. Also, with a valid state ID you
CAN
vote, even if your name is NOT on the register. You can cast
a
"provisional" ballot that will have to be sorted out long after
election
night.
And the rules in most states say that the provisional ballot
has
counted until it is DIS-proven, not proven.
As I said before, this behavior will at the very least
affect
elections in that it will build false momentum and influence
polling
data
and
reporting. Worse yet, in states like CA, a candidate can not
even
contest an election if the gap is wider than a certain percent (I
think
it
was 3%). So if you can get enough fake votes to win by that
percent,
they won't even check ballots for illegally cast votes.
BTW: Opaque means that you can't see THROUGH it. The opacity of
a
surface determines the extent to which it is NOT transparent.
Reducing
the
opacity of the illegals would make them TRANSPARENT. The opposite
of
what he meant. It was not a dig, just a correction. A lot of
people
who
don't live half their lives in Photoshop get that backward...
----- Original Message ----
From: Wayne McAlpine
To: cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:57:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
Rich Rijnders wrote:
Um, opacity means you CAN see it... Law enforcement are
already
PROHIBITED from even asking if someone is ILLEGAL (go figure)
and if
they
find out, they can not call immigration nor can they
give
information
to
the feds. So what is the point of eliminating their "opacity"?
Uh, no, opacity means you *can't* see.
The "motor-voter" law requires every one getting a
driver's license to automagically get a voter registration
form
filed....
That's misleading at best. The only thing that "Motor
Voter"
provides
is an application to register to vote and the transmittal of
that
application to the Registrar of Voters or other election
official.
The
Registrar then makes the determination if that applicant meets
the
criteria for eligibility, including age, felony conviction, and
citizenship requirements. What is there to object to?
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