On 11/18/07 6:30 PM, "Michael" <michael2938@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Big difference between joking between colleagues and disrespecting The
Pledge (or anthem, if you believe Obama's explanation).
Whether or not he was disrespecting anything is a matter of personal
opinion. I'm not a ritualistic person, so it doesn't bother me that he
doesn't always put his hand on his heart when the anthem plays. It
more what his intent was and whether or not he was purposely trying to
express disrespect to his flag or country.
So how would you know? If tradition (and the fact that it IS a Pledge)
dictate that you place your hand over your heart, then the very fact that
you don't IS disrespect (for the tradition, at the very least). To try to
rationalize it by interpreting "intent" is called moral relativism.
Wait, what do you mean "or anthem?" Wasn't that the national anthemplaying
in that picture?
There was some dispute as to whether it was the anthem or the pledge. It
reported as being The Pledge, to which you are supposed to put your hand
over your heart (whether you like the "ritual" or not). Obama later said
response to that actual photo) that it was the Anthem and not The Pledge.
Others who were there still maintain it was The Pledge. Interestingly,
has been no comment either way from the others who were actually on the
stage with him.
picture,Your post of Bush picture was a "oh yeah?!" retort to the Obama
Actually, it was directed more to the "a picture is worth a thousands
comment. Which brings us back to Bush flipping off the camera. Whatwas
What are you trying to say his "intent" was? It's telling that you will
excuse one man for "intent" that you have no way of knowing, but then
condemn another man for "intent" that is clearly false if you listen to
As I said before; Bush was JOKINGLY flipping off a colleague whom he said
"keeps telling me what to do". The incident occurred during a test session
for the camera crew and one of his assistants was telling him to do
this-or-that, count backward for voice check, etc, and then said something
off camera that caused the rest of the crew to laugh and to which Bush
flipped him off.
All that is obvious if you watch and listen to the actual video. That's
I said it should be kept in context. I think it is more telling that his
staff and the TV crew are so comfortable with him that they can joke
Again, what are YOU trying to say "intent" was?
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