I can't be any clearer, but I will try again.
It has everything to do with giving them driver's licenses because licenses are LEGAL identification. In most states, that is ALL that is required to cast a ballot. No LEGAL ID = NO VOTE / LEGAL ID = VOTE.
You have it ass-backward; giving them drivers licenses has nothing to do with legalizing their driving. Your argument is that giving them drivers licenses will make them visible. How? The plan was just to stop requiring proof of residence, so everyone will get a license but you will have no way of identifying who is legal and who is not. It would in no way identify them or make them "visible" (whatever that means).
Ask yourself what benefit there is to giving illegals a legal license and ID? All you've done is legalize their illegal behavior (driving). If they are caught driving without a license now, they don't get arrested or deported. So if you give them a license then what? When they get pulled over for speeding, they just get a ticket for speeding instead of one for speeding and one for driving without a license. Big whoop. Where is the big "visibility" benefit?
Insurance? Trust me, giving them a license is NOT going to make them run out and get insurance, either. Driving without insurance is illegal, but they do that, too. Ask anyone in CA where having uninsured motorist coverage is a necessity. Even if you get hit by someone WITH a license, you have 50/50 chance that they are not insured. If their license is taken away, they drive anyway.
So let's see.
It won't increase "visibility" because it won't identify them as illegal
No benefit to them being "visible" anyway
Won't make them go out and get insurance, as can be seen in CA and other states
Oh, but they WILL be able to cast ballots...
Clear enough?
----- Original Message ----
From: Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users <cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:37:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
Rich, lets assume that you and I agree on everything you write here.
But... what does that have to do with illegals and driving licenses?
if the system is so bad that dead people can vote, then the system is
bad enough that illegals can vote if they wish. Drivers licenses will
not affect that in any way.
Rich Rijnders wrote:
Every year THOUSANDS of applications get through and put on
the
rolls. Even dead people. In Chicago there were over 1000 registered
phantom
voters at one two-bedroom house. Also, with a valid state ID you
CAN
vote, even if your name is NOT on the register. You can cast
a
"provisional" ballot that will have to be sorted out long after election
night.
And the rules in most states say that the provisional ballot
has
counted until it is DIS-proven, not proven.
As I said before, this behavior will at the very least
affect
elections in that it will build false momentum and influence polling data
and
reporting. Worse yet, in states like CA, a candidate can not
even
contest an election if the gap is wider than a certain percent (I think
it
was 3%). So if you can get enough fake votes to win by that
percent,
they won't even check ballots for illegally cast votes.
BTW: Opaque means that you can't see THROUGH it. The opacity of
a
surface determines the extent to which it is NOT transparent. Reducing
the
opacity of the illegals would make them TRANSPARENT. The opposite
of
what he meant. It was not a dig, just a correction. A lot of people
who
don't live half their lives in Photoshop get that backward...
----- Original Message ----
From: Wayne McAlpine
To: cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:57:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Gov Spitzer drops illegals license plan
Rich Rijnders wrote:
Um, opacity means you CAN see it... Law enforcement are
already
PROHIBITED from even asking if someone is ILLEGAL (go figure) and if
they
find out, they can not call immigration nor can they
give
information
to
the feds. So what is the point of eliminating their "opacity"?
Uh, no, opacity means you *can't* see.
The "motor-voter" law requires every one getting a
driver's license to automagically get a voter registration
form
filed....
That's misleading at best. The only thing that "Motor
Voter"
provides
is an application to register to vote and the transmittal of that
application to the Registrar of Voters or other election official.
The
Registrar then makes the determination if that applicant meets the
criteria for eligibility, including age, felony conviction, and
citizenship requirements. What is there to object to?
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