I once visited a landfill where the owner had laid regular PVC drain
pipe in the bottom of his trenches, with standpipes about every 50'. He
was heating his house, shop, and half the neighbors for free, and had a
methane powered generator that was pushing electricity onto the grid.
rick baird wrote:
lotsa methane in that poop.
landfills too.
On Nov 7, 2007 4:24 PM, David Nobles <dnobles@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Another alternate energy source:
http://www.arcamax.com/businessnews/s-254276-851364
At 04:14 PM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
huh? make your choice human, you need energy, make your
choice....or just let the gov make your choice...your choice.
----- Original Message -----
From: Booth Martin
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
thats the question, eh, Bill? Do we *really* know the answers? Or do
we just think we do, one more time?
Bill Meecham wrote:
> which affect is more deleterious? burning oil and other
hydrocarbons, fusing atoms, or altering the course of the wind?
> our impact on this planet is inevitable, now choose or find the
one with the least impact that will make $$ and maintain or elevate
the current standard of living.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wayne McAlpine
> Newsgroups: midrange.cpf0000
> To: cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
>
>
> You still can't change the laws of physics and the conservation of
> energy. When you transform the kinetic energy of the wind into
> electrical energy, the wind loses some of its energy, albeit a very
> small amount in relation to the vastness of the
atmosphere. Could this
> have an effect on climate? Who knows?
>
> Paul Nelson wrote:
> > Here's your physics lesson for the day:
> >
> > http://www1.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/wind_how.html
> >
> > O&O
> >
> > Paul Nelson
> > Cell 708-670-6978
> > Office 512-392-2577
> > nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Booth Martin
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:58 PM
> > To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
> > Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
> >
> > Thank you for the link, Paul. I appreciate it.
> >
> > As to diverting the energy....? Are you saying the energy
is somehow
> > free and not a function of the wind that turns the
turbines??? (I did
> > not say "diverting the wind" because that is not what
happens, just like
> > a sail boat doesn't divert the wind. A sailboat converts
wind into boat
> > motion. The backside of the sail is still air.
> > a
> > Paul Nelson wrote:
> >> Horse puckey. Cars kill more birds per year:
> >> http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html
> >>
> >> <<But what about wind turbines?
> >>
> >> Commercial wind turbines
> >>
> >> Since the mid-1980's, a number of research organizations,
universities,
> > and
> >> consultants have conducted studies on avian mortality due to wind
> > turbines.
> >> In the U.S., these studies were prompted because of the
relatively high
> >> number of raptors that were found dead at the Altamont
Pass Wind Farms
> > near
> >> San Francisco.
> >>
> >> After dozens of studies spanning nearly two decades, we
now know that the
> >> Altamont Pass situation is unusual in the U.S. The high
raptor mortality
> >> there was the result of a convergence of factors, some of
which were due
> > to
> >> the bad siting in the local ecosystem while others were
due to the wind
> >> turbine and tower technology used at the time. In fact, a
very different
> >> situation exists not far away at the San Gorgonio Pass
Wind Farms near
> > Palm
> >> Springs. A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew
though the San
> >> Gorgonio Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations.
During both migrating
> >> seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
> >> representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population.
> >>
> >> A report recently prepared for the Bonneville Power
Administration in the
> >> Northwest U.S. states that "raptor mortality has been
absent to very low
> > at
> >> all newer generation wind plants studied in the U.S. This and other
> >> information regarding wind turbine design and wind
plant/wind turbine
> > siting
> >> strongly suggests that the level of raptor mortality
observed at Altamont
> >> Pass is quite unique."12>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The turbines don't divert the wind. Have you ever been up
on a tower?
> > Those
> >> workers have to be tied off just as securely as any other
high elevation
> >> job.
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul Nelson
> >> Cell 708-670-6978
> >> Office 512-392-2577
> >> nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> >> Behalf Of Booth Martin
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:47 AM
> >> To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
> >> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
> >>
> >> I've wondered two things about windmills. Apparently one
consequence
> >> are pile of dead birds under the turbine blades? But the
other is...
> >> how much wind can you divert before you start affecting
the downwind
> >> weather and rainfall?
> >>
> >> Paul Nelson wrote:
> >>
> >>> If one does not object to the view of the windmills from
one's veranda,
> >>>
> >> one
> >>
> >>> can get a lot of electricity from wind power.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, one who is effete would always object to having his view
> >>>
> >> ruined,
> >>
> >>> despite the fact that the wind generated electricity
would benefit one's
> >>> constituents.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/33cs8o
> >>>
> >>> Paul Nelson
> >>> Cell 708-670-6978
> >>> Office 512-392-2577
> >>> nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>
> >> On
> >>
> >>> Behalf Of Chuck Lewis
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:55 AM
> >>> To: 'Open discussion among iSeries Users'
> >>> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
> >>>
> >>> Ethanol is one of the most stupid idea for alternative
fuel they've ever
> >>> come up with. It is SO heavily subsidized that if those
were dropped it
> >>> could not begin to compete with oil. And as you note, the
jump in the use
> >>>
> >> of
> >>
> >>> corn for that has been impacting food prices for months.
Why waste money
> >>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>> this (and have other negative impacts to boot) and not in
legitimate
> >>> alternatives like battery, solar, etc. ? !
> >>>
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>
> >> On
> >>
> >>> Behalf Of Paul Nelson
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:49 AM
> >>> To: 'Open discussion among iSeries Users'
> >>> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
> >>>
> >>> It's the price of diesel fuel. That stuff is delivered in
trucks. Diesel
> >>> here has gone up almost 75 cents in the last two weeks.
> >>>
> >>> A bigger issue is the water supply in the Midwest. The
Oglala Aquifer is
> >>> about 100 feet below normal levels because of all the
guys using extra
> >>>
> >> water
> >>
> >>> to irrigate to grow corn for ethanol that will never
sell. People are not
> >>> going to spend more for a gallon of E-85 than a gallon of
regular gas.
> >>>
> >>> http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/geography/map10.htm
> >>>
> >>> Paul
>
>
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