That is the first thing you have ever posted that makes a lick of sense.
Bravo!
Paul Nelson
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Office 512-392-2577
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-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:00 PM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
Great idea! We could build such a plant right behind Congress in DC?
Light up the whole East Coast.
David Nobles wrote:
Another alternate energy source:
http://www.arcamax.com/businessnews/s-254276-851364
At 04:14 PM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
huh? make your choice human, you need energy, make your
choice....or just let the gov make your choice...your choice.
----- Original Message -----
From: Booth Martin
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
thats the question, eh, Bill? Do we *really* know the answers? Or do
we just think we do, one more time?
Bill Meecham wrote:
> which affect is more deleterious? burning oil and other
hydrocarbons, fusing atoms, or altering the course of the wind?
> our impact on this planet is inevitable, now choose or find the
one with the least impact that will make $$ and maintain or elevate
the current standard of living.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wayne McAlpine
> Newsgroups: midrange.cpf0000
> To: cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
>
>
> You still can't change the laws of physics and the conservation of
> energy. When you transform the kinetic energy of the wind into
> electrical energy, the wind loses some of its energy, albeit a very
> small amount in relation to the vastness of the
atmosphere. Could this
> have an effect on climate? Who knows?
>
> Paul Nelson wrote:
> > Here's your physics lesson for the day:
> >
> > http://www1.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/wind_how.html
> >
> > O&O
> >
> > Paul Nelson
> > Cell 708-670-6978
> > Office 512-392-2577
> > nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Booth Martin
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:58 PM
> > To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
> > Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
> >
> > Thank you for the link, Paul. I appreciate it.
> >
> > As to diverting the energy....? Are you saying the energy
is somehow
> > free and not a function of the wind that turns the
turbines??? (I did
> > not say "diverting the wind" because that is not what
happens, just like
> > a sail boat doesn't divert the wind. A sailboat converts
wind into boat
> > motion. The backside of the sail is still air.
> > a
> > Paul Nelson wrote:
> >> Horse puckey. Cars kill more birds per year:
> >> http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html
> >>
> >> <<But what about wind turbines?
> >>
> >> Commercial wind turbines
> >>
> >> Since the mid-1980's, a number of research organizations,
universities,
> > and
> >> consultants have conducted studies on avian mortality due to
wind
> > turbines.
> >> In the U.S., these studies were prompted because of the
relatively high
> >> number of raptors that were found dead at the Altamont
Pass Wind Farms
> > near
> >> San Francisco.
> >>
> >> After dozens of studies spanning nearly two decades, we
now know that the
> >> Altamont Pass situation is unusual in the U.S. The high
raptor mortality
> >> there was the result of a convergence of factors, some of
which were due
> > to
> >> the bad siting in the local ecosystem while others were
due to the wind
> >> turbine and tower technology used at the time. In fact, a
very different
> >> situation exists not far away at the San Gorgonio Pass
Wind Farms near
> > Palm
> >> Springs. A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew
though the San
> >> Gorgonio Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations.
During both migrating
> >> seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
> >> representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population.
> >>
> >> A report recently prepared for the Bonneville Power
Administration in the
> >> Northwest U.S. states that "raptor mortality has been
absent to very low
> > at
> >> all newer generation wind plants studied in the U.S. This and
other
> >> information regarding wind turbine design and wind
plant/wind turbine
> > siting
> >> strongly suggests that the level of raptor mortality
observed at Altamont
> >> Pass is quite unique."12>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The turbines don't divert the wind. Have you ever been up
on a tower?
> > Those
> >> workers have to be tied off just as securely as any other
high elevation
> >> job.
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul Nelson
> >> Cell 708-670-6978
> >> Office 512-392-2577
> >> nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> >> Behalf Of Booth Martin
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:47 AM
> >> To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
> >> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
> >>
> >> I've wondered two things about windmills. Apparently one
consequence
> >> are pile of dead birds under the turbine blades? But the
other is...
> >> how much wind can you divert before you start affecting
the downwind
> >> weather and rainfall?
> >>
> >> Paul Nelson wrote:
> >>
> >>> If one does not object to the view of the windmills from
one's veranda,
> >>>
> >> one
> >>
> >>> can get a lot of electricity from wind power.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, one who is effete would always object to having his
view
> >>>
> >> ruined,
> >>
> >>> despite the fact that the wind generated electricity
would benefit one's
> >>> constituents.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/33cs8o
> >>>
> >>> Paul Nelson
> >>> Cell 708-670-6978
> >>> Office 512-392-2577
> >>> nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>
> >> On
> >>
> >>> Behalf Of Chuck Lewis
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:55 AM
> >>> To: 'Open discussion among iSeries Users'
> >>> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
> >>>
> >>> Ethanol is one of the most stupid idea for alternative
fuel they've ever
> >>> come up with. It is SO heavily subsidized that if those
were dropped it
> >>> could not begin to compete with oil. And as you note, the
jump in the use
> >>>
> >> of
> >>
> >>> corn for that has been impacting food prices for months.
Why waste money
> >>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>> this (and have other negative impacts to boot) and not in
legitimate
> >>> alternatives like battery, solar, etc. ? !
> >>>
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>
> >> On
> >>
> >>> Behalf Of Paul Nelson
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:49 AM
> >>> To: 'Open discussion among iSeries Users'
> >>> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
> >>>
> >>> It's the price of diesel fuel. That stuff is delivered in
trucks. Diesel
> >>> here has gone up almost 75 cents in the last two weeks.
> >>>
> >>> A bigger issue is the water supply in the Midwest. The
Oglala Aquifer is
> >>> about 100 feet below normal levels because of all the
guys using extra
> >>>
> >> water
> >>
> >>> to irrigate to grow corn for ethanol that will never
sell. People are not
> >>> going to spend more for a gallon of E-85 than a gallon of
regular gas.
> >>>
> >>> http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/geography/map10.htm
> >>>
> >>> Paul
>
>
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