You still can't change the laws of physics and the conservation of
energy. When you transform the kinetic energy of the wind into
electrical energy, the wind loses some of its energy, albeit a very
small amount in relation to the vastness of the atmosphere. Could this
have an effect on climate? Who knows?
Paul Nelson wrote:
Here's your physics lesson for the day:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/wind_how.html
O&O
Paul Nelson
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From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:58 PM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
Thank you for the link, Paul. I appreciate it.
As to diverting the energy....? Are you saying the energy is somehow
free and not a function of the wind that turns the turbines??? (I did
not say "diverting the wind" because that is not what happens, just like
a sail boat doesn't divert the wind. A sailboat converts wind into boat
motion. The backside of the sail is still air.
a
Paul Nelson wrote:
Horse puckey. Cars kill more birds per year:
http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html
<<But what about wind turbines?
Commercial wind turbines
Since the mid-1980's, a number of research organizations, universities,
and
consultants have conducted studies on avian mortality due to wind
turbines.
In the U.S., these studies were prompted because of the relatively high
number of raptors that were found dead at the Altamont Pass Wind Farms
near
San Francisco.
After dozens of studies spanning nearly two decades, we now know that the
Altamont Pass situation is unusual in the U.S. The high raptor mortality
there was the result of a convergence of factors, some of which were due
to
the bad siting in the local ecosystem while others were due to the wind
turbine and tower technology used at the time. In fact, a very different
situation exists not far away at the San Gorgonio Pass Wind Farms near
Palm
Springs. A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew though the San
Gorgonio Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations. During both migrating
seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population.
A report recently prepared for the Bonneville Power Administration in the
Northwest U.S. states that "raptor mortality has been absent to very low
at
all newer generation wind plants studied in the U.S. This and other
information regarding wind turbine design and wind plant/wind turbine
siting
strongly suggests that the level of raptor mortality observed at Altamont
Pass is quite unique."12>>
The turbines don't divert the wind. Have you ever been up on a tower?
Those
workers have to be tied off just as securely as any other high elevation
job.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:47 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
I've wondered two things about windmills. Apparently one consequence
are pile of dead birds under the turbine blades? But the other is...
how much wind can you divert before you start affecting the downwind
weather and rainfall?
Paul Nelson wrote:
If one does not object to the view of the windmills from one's veranda,
one
can get a lot of electricity from wind power.
Of course, one who is effete would always object to having his view
ruined,
despite the fact that the wind generated electricity would benefit one's
constituents.
http://tinyurl.com/33cs8o
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Chuck Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:55 AM
To: 'Open discussion among iSeries Users'
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
Ethanol is one of the most stupid idea for alternative fuel they've ever
come up with. It is SO heavily subsidized that if those were dropped it
could not begin to compete with oil. And as you note, the jump in the use
of
corn for that has been impacting food prices for months. Why waste money
on
this (and have other negative impacts to boot) and not in legitimate
alternatives like battery, solar, etc. ? !
Chuck
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From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:49 AM
To: 'Open discussion among iSeries Users'
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Bread and Butter Issues
It's the price of diesel fuel. That stuff is delivered in trucks. Diesel
here has gone up almost 75 cents in the last two weeks.
A bigger issue is the water supply in the Midwest. The Oglala Aquifer is
about 100 feet below normal levels because of all the guys using extra
water
to irrigate to grow corn for ethanol that will never sell. People are not
going to spend more for a gallon of E-85 than a gallon of regular gas.
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/geography/map10.htm
Paul
