Wayne,
It is her speech. As long as the intent and result of the speech is not to
incite a riot, it is her right. If she wants to get up there and look like
an idiot, it's up to her. Should the school library be purged of all the
books that talk about those who proselytize? Should we remove every single
history book, because we all know that with very few exceptions, almost
every war prior to the 20th century was over religion.
I'm not saying that being an atheist, or even an agnostic is a bad thing.
I'm saying that stifling the free speech of someone who has won an award is
wrong in this country.
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John, I watched the entire clip and I think the young lady went way beyond
giving thanks to God for her successes. Her intent was to convince others
to accept JC as their personal savior, and that, in my book is proselytizing
and it had no place at this function.
John Brandt wrote:
Wayne,
I think too many people miss this point. This is not the State or the
School putting religion into a classroom setting. This is not the
State attempting to convert, recruit or otherwise infringe on the
rights of others. This is a person who has done her job and made her
grades not being allowed to give credit to someone or something that
she believes helped her get to the top of her class. If an atheist
becomes the valedictorian, do we force them to thank NOONE? No. They
are allowed to thank anyone they wish. (I am going to drive the point
home right here. Ready?) If an atheist is the valedictorian and thanks
his or her parents or grand-parents, or someone else they knew giving
them credit for assisting in the education and helping this person get
to be the valedictorian, are we going to prevent them from speaking of
this person? No. We are not. What if that person is dead? Are they
proselytizing about that person if they say, even though you are dead,
your teachings while you were alive help me even today? Would that
also be a violation of the separation between church and state?
Absolutely not. Neither is giving a speech at a school related
function and thanking, or giving credit to your particular God. The
valedictorian is neither an employee or a representative of the State and
should not be deemed as such.
Logically speaking, in order for your opinion of freedom from religion
to be true, freedom OF religion cannot be true.
John
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From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne McAlpine
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:17 AM
To: cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Blatant censorship in action
It would have been a fine speech at a tent revival meeting. If she
wants to witness for Christ, let her go door-to-door with The Watchtower.
I think it was inappropriate and disruptive to proselytize during the
graduation ceremony at a public school. IMHO, freedom of religion
includes freedom from religion.
Alan wrote:
This is a short clip of the speech given by valedictorian Brittany
McComb. She was top student at Foothill High School in Clark County
Nevada, who graduated with 4.7 GPA.
http://www.rutherford.org/movieclips/mccomb_lrg.mov
The Berkeley communists (at one time years agone my own socialist
heroes), who named their movement the "Free Speech Movement" are now
in charge of the schools and cut the microphone when they don't like
the speech.
She kept talking and the students booed and jeered and hooted and
hollered "Let her speak!!"
Then the MC comes up and says the "next valedictorian speaker" will
be so-and-so, and the clip ends with the agonizingly ironic "....next
speaker is (so-and-so). And we'd like you to let her speak, she
deserves this chance to speak, please."
But apparently not the valedictorian, who was crediting the one main
factor in her life that she regarded as responsible for her success:
salvation through Jesus Christ her Lord.
But if they should shut us all up, the rocks will cry out, and they
are anyway!
--Alan
For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.--2 Cor
13:8
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