Yes, I believe they were wrong to ban all guns from campus.
how much good did that rule do?
You talk about preventing drunk frat boys and little girls from having
guns. Yet very few of those people would have guns in the first place
before or after the ban. And they, along with all the responsible
students experienced in the safe handling of firearms, all obeyed the
ban.
Who didn't obey the ban? the freak didn't.
All the ban did was create a guaranteed resistance-free zone for the
freak so he could perform his rampage unfettered, and you see this as
a good thing?
On 4/18/07, Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So you believe that the VT administration was ... right or wrong... in
banning all guns from the campus? I am not sure I followed the argument
that Gerald was putting forward?
rick baird wrote:
> Gerald,
>
> I know that, and you know that, but convincing bootsie of that is another
story.
>
> Not to mention the fact that a similar rampage only a few years ago,
> armed students did indeed keep a tragic situation from becoming worse.
> 3 dead, 3 wounded, but the killer was stopped before he could kill
> again, and stood trial for his crimes.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting
>
>
> On 4/18/07, Gerald Magnuson <gmagnuson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> "I don't think anyone at VT imagined this scenario would happen to
>>>
>> them."
>>
>> Yet Someone did, they had a permit for conceal, and the School
>> Administration passed a rule banning weapons from school, even with a
>> permit.
>> The State house was going to pass a law making it illegal to have school
>> administration banning peoples 2nd amendment rights; with the help of
>> the anti-gun lobby, and VT administrators, the bill was killed in
>> committee.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of rick baird
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:37 PM
>> To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
>> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Another Gun Nut Runs Amok
>>
>> so, because of your lack of commitment to the safety of firarms, you
>> feel it's not a good idea for you to carry a firearm. I commend you
>> for making a sensible choice.
>>
>> but, as such, since you don't want to carry, you feel society should
>> prohibit everyone else from doing so as well. If it's not right for
>> you, it shouldn't be right for anyone?
>>
>> The question isn't "can I imagine a scenario?" I don't think anyone
>> at VT imagined this scenario would happen to them. I have never been
>> in that situation either, and I don't carry a gun.
>>
>> That is a personal choice, and one that fits me and my lifestyle. But
>> I would never impose my personal choice as the only way for everyone
>> else.
>>
>> Why do you?
>>
>> On 4/18/07, Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Well,to be explicit, Rick, I tend to clumsiness from time to time. If
>>>
>> I
>>
>>> had spent my life so far hangin' iron, I am pretty sure by now I would
>>> have shot something or someone at least once by accident. That
>>>
>> doesn't
>>
>>> include dropping the weapon on my bare toes, crotch, or good
>>>
>> furniture.
>>
>>> In other words, my neighborhood would not be any safer if I were
>>> carrying and might in fact be a good deal less safe.
>>>
>>> As to needing the gun for defense.... man... I have never been in a
>>> situation where I felt that showing a piece would move the situation
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> a safer and saner conclusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> rick baird wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I am curious how many emergencies one typically encounters that
>>>>>
>> would be
>>
>>>>> usefully resolved with a handgun? Or any weapon for that matter?
>>>>>
>> How
>>
>>>>> many times does one need a handgun to defend oneself when traveling
>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>> and from work for instance? Has anyone on this list ever been in a
>>>>> situation where having a hand gun available would have been useful?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I am curious why you seem to feel that there should be a certain
>>>> number of emergencies one would have to encounter in order to
>>>>
>> justify
>>
>>>> protecting yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Even if it occured only once in your lifetime, it would be worth it,
>>>> don't you think? As my dad said, it's better to have one and never
>>>> need it than to need one and not have it. He always had one, but
>>>> never once did he need it. was he a danger to society? No, he
>>>> wasn't. Was he justified in carrying a weapon with him at all
>>>>
>> times?
>>
>>>> Yes he was.
>>>>
>>>> But more to the point, ask any of the gun owners among the students
>>>> and faculty in the VT classrooms attacked on monday the following 3
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Do they wish they'd had theirs available at the time?
>>>>
>>>> 2) Do you think it's likely you will ever be in a situation like
>>>>
>> this
>>
>>>> ever again?
>>>>
>>>> 3) Do you plan to remain armed, or will you now give up your guns
>>>> since you won't need them anymore?
>>>>
>>>> therein you will find your answer grasshopper.
>>>>
>>>>
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