Terry slings the bull. In Boston, teachers unions are king and don't want
standardized testing but student scores are dropping. All that and 2 months
off a year.
-----Original Message-----
From: meechamw@xxxxxxx
To: cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] A School in South Carolina
Terry,
Teacher's unions can destroy dreams and ambitions of people that expect to
graduate at a specific time and lose a year or more of their life catching up.
There are other ways that strikes affect students in very serious ways. I have
personal experience with it.
There are many people that collectively have spent more time with my children,
so what? Considering there are 3 aids and 1 teacher in every class and a
number
of classes in a student's day, plus the administration, that's not much of an
accomplishment.
There are many bad teachers that are protected and good teachers that are
frustrated and leave. I know a few that were good teachers and exited.
Then you just get carried away assuming that you know what I think about
salaries, parenting load, et al. Sorry, you don't know what I think about
that
and have assumed incorrectly, and you haven't changed my opinion that teacher
unions are evil.....from the student's point of view.
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Richardson
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] A School in South Carolina
Bill,
If you meant that, you are waaaaaay off base. If you are just picking a
fight, consider it picked.
Teachers unions are only doing what they can for the people we entrust
our kids to for most of the day. Chances are, the teaches in your
schools collectively spend more time with your kids than you do. Add on
the reality that they and the school systems are relied upon to bear an
ever-increasing load of the parenting responsibilities that the too-busy
parents can't or wont, and I don't begrudge them a cent of what they are
paid. I'm sure the idiot republicans on this list will counter with the
myth that they don't work a full year for a full years pay, but that
just a bunch of BS.
If however you were joking, ha ha ha.
Bill Meecham wrote:
> teacher unions are all evil! every last one of them!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Booth Martin
> To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] A School in South Carolina
>
>
> No, Rick. I am a Liberal. The last thing I embrace is the Status Quo.
>
> As to the Teacher Unions... Always got to have a scape goat, eh?
> Always has to be someone to point the finger at. Always got to be
> someone you can blame for everything that is wrong. Why not just
> accept the fact that fat, dumb, and happy happens in every organization,
> if allowed. School systems aren't immune. the Veterans Hospitals aren't
> immune, and neither is GM or Ford.
>
> rick baird wrote:
> >> Let me answer the question that you asked whereby you were attempting
to
> >> put words into my mouth.
> >>
> >
> > no, I used your words. just as you wrote them, in context.
> >
> >
> >> You have framed the debate as being that there are only two choices:
> >> Status Quo, or Privatization. I reject that.
> >>
> >
> > No, I haven't and I too reject that. and I don't believe you oppose
> > status quo. you oppose any attempt at shaking up public schools, and
> > support the teachers unions unquestionably.
> >
> >
> >> I believe that any
> >> significant change gives improvements in any organization. Therefore,
> >> while privatization might give spotty improvements, the cause will be
> >> the act of change, not the act of privatizing. In addition, the
> >> remaining public system would just get worse and worse because no
> >> efforts to correct it will have taken place.
> >>
> >
> > Then I have two questions, both of which must be answered: what would
> > shake things up in our public schools, and will the teachers unions
> > allow it to happen?
> >
> >
> >> So, how does this relate to the Public/Private debate? In this way,
> >> Rick. I believe that changing to a privatized system is similar to
> >> driving finish nails with a sledge hammer. The damage to the woodwork
> >> will be substantial and permanent.
> >>
> >> Lets put our energy into defining the real problems and solving the
real
> >> problems instead of these fanciful ideas that are yielding mixed
results
> >> where they've been tried.
> >>
> >
> > you speak in such flowery words, and good intentions, yet you there is
> > absolutely zero substance to any of your answers.
> >
> > In other words....
> >
> >
> >>> you're not answering my question.
> >>>
> >
> > still.
> >
>
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> ---------------------------------
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>
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