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Re: Evidence of crucifixion




Aren't you listening? He told them one thing, ONE ONLY, and that's precisely the ONE rule ONLY that they violated. And it happened to them afterward just like God promised, since God is not a liar.
Just to make sure everyone's clear, _exactly_ what rule was that?...Tom Liotta
"..But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die..." ....

But /one/ rule is too many for some people, for example, Albert and for Job. "So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he [was] righteous in his own eyes." (Job 32:1) But they need to listen to God's answer to this kind of crazy talk: "Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?" (Job 40:8) (In the same chapter where the Bible mentions dinosaurs, by the way).

Buck makes more semantic hay from the tense of that verb, "in that day thou shalt surely die", than it gets him back, again only showing that he is looking for a loophole instead of considering both sides of the semantical equation. Before he ate from the forbidden fruit, he and his biology were set up to live forever, death didn't enter into the equation.

Without even stretching the grammar, we all can remember when we ourselves have used the term this way, common enough even in movies, albeit more flippantly perhaps: "The day you touch my girl, you're a dead man." There's even a movie title: "Dead Man Walking". From American Pie: "...the */_day_/* the music died...." "As soon as he ran out of water in the blistering desert heat, he died; it just took a few days more for the body to drop."

That's when his metabolism changed and death and entropy were allowed to work their havoc.

But more than metabolism, the way it has always been understood: "Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the *dead*, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.: (Romans 6:13) That's what is meant when they tell you, as if you had really wanted to know, that Adam and Even died spiritually that day. Also take Romans 7:8: "But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] *dead*.". Since the law was not even "alive" before they ate the fruit, then death was no problem, but their act of disobedience introduced sin and death by definition.

Eph 2:1: But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] *dead*.

(2:5) Even when we were *dead* in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

...."they are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God…"

So everybody on the list has used the term in this way, but of course they change the dictionary to try to pull a fast one over on God.

Fat chance.

Alan















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