Steve, Neither I nor any other mainstream Liberal believes there is no
problem. I read the posts that you make, and I believe that you and
many of us agree: The politicians are not solving the problem. I am
not even certain that they are properly identifying the problem.
If all 11 million illegals were to suddenly go home and the border
crossings stop (except for true terrorists) would that solve the social
issues in America that concern us? I seriously doubt it. Would it
create good jobs in America? Stop H1-B abuse? Significantly lessen the
burden on the social services system, including health care? Probably not.
What value is there in pursuing practices that, even if done
successfully, will fail?
Steve Landess wrote:
What Booth is quoting is pure left-wing bullshit.
I'm sorry, but we can't save the whole world by letting them all immigrate
here.
I am a proud member of FAIR (The Federation for American Immigration
Reform), and any American who wants to protect our precious natural
resources should also join and contribute to the cause (www.fairus.org).
As I understand it, CIS and FAIR are proponents of reducing the annual
number of immigrants back to pre-1965 levels.
At our current rate of population growth (partially due to high numbers of
immigrants every year since the immigration laws were changed in 1965, and
compounded by the high numbers of illegal immigrants in each of the last 20
years), we will have around 500,000,000 people in the U.S. by the year 2050.
NOT good...
- sjl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Open discussion among iSeries Users'" <cpf0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] OIG Issues Report estimates over 600,000 Fugitive
aliens in U. S. whereabouts unknown.
<<CIS "may strike right-wing poses in the press," it
and other like-minded groups "support big government, mock federalism,
deride free markets, and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any
self-respecting social conservative." ...">>
In other words, you support them.
Paul Nelson
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-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Open discussion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] OIG Issues Report estimates over 600, 000 Fugitive
aliens in U. S. whereabouts unknown.
"..."Let's be clear," wrote Frank Sharry of the National Immigration
Forum, "CIS was birthed by FAIR, the militant anti-immigration group.
The CIS executive director moved from FAIR to CIS to head up the
organization. Although now independent, the two organizations share the
same basic agenda: an American version of what in Europe is called 'zero
immigration.'" According to Sharry, CIS masquerades as an objective,
"squeaky clean" think tank, but CIS is "simply churning out
high-sounding, low-credibility grist for the high-pitch, low-road
anti-immigration forces in the United States." This assessment of CIS is
widely shared among pro-immigrant groups, but CIS studies are not only
frequently cited by the "low-road" nativist forces but also by major
news media. (4)
CIS has also been critiqued as being part of a network of anti-immigrant
groups that cater to a white supremacist constituency by right-wing
economic libertarians who believe in the benefits of mass and unfettered
immigration. A /Wall Street Journal/ op-ed (June 15, 2004), that was
widely praised and circulated by pro-immigrant groups, reported that
despite the fact that CIS "may strike right-wing poses in the press," it
and other like-minded groups "support big government, mock federalism,
deride free markets, and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any
self-respecting social conservative." ..."
*http://tinyurl.com/2xyo6j
Don't be sure that the report you cite is accurate.
*Dave Kahn wrote:
On 03/04/07, fbocch2595@xxxxxxx <fbocch2595@xxxxxxx> wrote:
We don't need them. The economy will function with or without them. As
soon
as they leave I'll be the first to start a cleaning business.
I was about to argue against you but some preliminary research
indicates the situation is far more complex than I had realised, and
you may well be right. Although illegal immigrants provide a huge pool
of cheap labour, and mainly in jobs that other people don't want to
do, the associated costs exceed the benefit to the economy. A net
deficit to the federal budget of $2,700 per illegal household in 2002
according to a report from the Center for Immigration Studies.
<http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html>.
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