This discussed senate floor filibusters. These guys can't even get
out of committee.
On 5/20/05, Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Why doesn't it? and, is there another set of rules somewhere? These are the
> only ones I know about.
>
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> Booth Martin
> http://www.martinvt.com
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> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Open discssion among iSeries Users
> Date: 05/20/05 17:58:56
> To: Open discssion among iSeries Users
> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] I'm sorry. I just can't abide this.
>
> interesting yes, but it doesn't explain the current problem.
>
> On 5/20/05, Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Here is an interesting link, with the correct explanation.
> >
> > http://www.senate
> > gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm
> >
> >
> > Filibuster and Cloture
> >
> >
> > Using the filibuster to delay or block legislative action has a long
> history
> > The term filibuster -- from a Dutch word meaning "pirate" -- became
> popular
> > in the 1850s, when it was applied to efforts to hold the Senate floor in
> > order to prevent a vote on a bill.
> > In the early years of Congress, representatives as well as senators could
> > filibuster. As the House of Representatives grew in numbers, however,
> > revisions to the House rules limited debate. In the smaller Senate,
> > unlimited debate continued on the grounds that any senator should have the
> > right to speak as long as necessary on any issue.
> > In 1841, when the Democratic minority hoped to block a bank bill promoted
> by
> > Kentucky Senator Henry Clay, he threatened to change Senate rules to allow
> > the majority to close debate. Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton rebuked
> > Clay for trying to stifle the Senate's right to unlimited debate.
> > Three quarters of a century later, in 1917, senators adopted a rule (Rule
> > 22), at the urging President Woodrow Wilson, that allowed the Senate to
> end
> > a debate with a two-thirds majority vote, a device known as "cloture." The
> > new Senate rule was first put to the test in 1919, when the Senate invoked
> > cloture to end a filibuster against the Treaty of Versailles. Even with
> the
> > new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block
> > legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next
> > five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually
> > failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were
> particularly
> > useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation,
> > until cloture was invoked after a fifty-seven day filibuster against the
> > Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes
> > required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or sixty of the
> > current one hundred senators.
> > Many Americans are familiar with the filibuster conducted by Jimmy Stewart
>
> > playing Senator Jefferson Smith in Frank Capra's film Mr. Smith Goes to
> > Washington, but there have been some famous filibusters in the real-life
> > Senate as well. During the 1930s, Senator Huey P. Long effectively used
> the
> > filibuster against bills that he thought favored the rich over the poor.
> The
> > Louisiana senator frustrated his colleagues while entertaining spectators
> > with his recitations of Shakespeare and his reading of recipes for
> > pot-likkers." Long once held the Senate floor for fifteen hours. The
> record
> > for the longest individual speech goes to South Carolina's J. Strom
> Thurmond
> > who filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act
> of
> > 1957.
> >
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> > Booth Martin
> > http://www.martinvt.com
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> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Open discssion among iSeries Users
> > Date: 05/20/05 17:38:50
> > To: Open discssion among iSeries Users
> > Subject: Re: [CPF0000] I'm sorry. I just can't abide this.
> >
> > It has everything to do with filibuster. The filibuster is what is
> > used to block cloture.
> >
> > On 5/20/05, Michael Jacobsen <MJacobsen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > > If one senator says "I don't want to close debate", then according to
> > > > current senate rules, 60% of the committee must vote to overrule him -
> > > > thus achieving cloture of debate.
> > > >
> > > > If cloture is achieved, they then must vote on recommending the
> > > > nominee to advance to the senate floor for a full vote. Yes, he goes
> > > > before the entire senate - no, back to the dust heap.
> > >
> > > So then this has nothing to do with the filibuster rules, correct?
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike
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