So SH's attempt to eradicate the Kurds was not genocide? Or the mass
graves of his religious oppenents?
Another attempt by a liberal to divert the discussion when he cann't
answer the point.
Marvin
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Pleeezeee... save your concern for the places where there's been true
genocide and we've done nothing. Start with the current plight in
Sudan.
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Booth Martin
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From: Open discssion among iSeries Users
Date: 07/28/04 12:27:38
To: Open discssion among iSeries Users
Subject: RE: [CPF0000] Quote
So all the people they dug up in mass graves don't count? There were
many mass graves. Does it matter how many? The man was a fiend. He
needed to be removed to preserve the fragile balance in the MidEast.
All he had to do was advance on Saudi Arabia and there would have been a
bigger mess.
The man did not fully disarm as he was suppose to after the '91 war. And
his cooperation was limited to what he would allow the investigators to
do. When they tried to force his hand and look at those things that he
didn't want them to look at, he first started playing a shell game with
the evidence, moving file cabinets and hardware. Then when they were
more insistent, he kicked them out. That is not cooperation, no matter
how you cut the cheese.
Marvin
>
>-----Original Message-----
From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Booth Martin
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:17 AM
To: Open discssion among iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Quote
>
>Reasonable people often disagree given the same set of facts. That is
the
>case here, eh?
>
>
>
>I would agree that he may not have lied intentionally.
>
>
>
>Did you notice the news the other day? Where Tony Blair agreed that
there
>aren't hundreds of thousands of mass graves, that in fact the reports
were
>wrong?
>
>
>
>You skipped the part about there being no documents showing
collaberation.
>Why?
>
>
>
>He never did stop cooperating after 1991, so why do you say he wasn't?
He
>had some political needs at home, but the facts are, he cooperated from
the
>beginning.
>
>
>
>The orders appear to have come directly from GW's administration. Only
GW
>seems to believe "The buck doesn't stop here." He has more excuses and
>scapegoats than a bully on the playground.
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>
>
>
>
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>
>Booth Martin
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>http://www.martinvt.com
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>
>
>
>From: Open discssion among iSeries Users
>
>Date: 07/28/04 11:58:47
>
>To: Open discssion among iSeries Users
>
>Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Quote
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>
>
>>#1- "had" You are right. Everyone acknowledged he had them. No one
>
>>acknowledged he still had them. G Bush and Clinton got rid of all of
them
>
>>and that was known. The suspicion was that he'd made more. There was
no
>
>>evidence to support that, although GW told us there was and we
believed
>
>him.
>
>>That is why there is so much controversy about his 16 words in the
State
>
>of
>
>>the Union address. He knowingly lied to America and the World.
>
>
>
>His decisions may have been based on faulty intellegence, but if I
remember
>
>correctly, gwb asked "are you absolutely sure we can make the case for
WMD,
>
>and Tennent said it was a "slam dunk". The '16 words' were put part
of a
>
>long speach, researched and approved of by intellegence and aids who
>
>assured him that all statements were facts.
>
>
>
>To make a blanket statement like "he knowingly lied" is dubious and
cannot
>
>be supported with facts.
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>
>
>>#2- The Kurds were not "his own people" and were in fact aligning with
>
>Iran
>
>>against him. We, the USA, were supporting their rebellion and we
>
>abandoned
>
>>them at their moment of greatest need. Before you get to high and
mighty
>
>>about SH's actions, bear in mind that the USA left the Kurds hanging
out
>
>to
>
>>dry. We were just as responsible for their deaths as he was. Would
you
>
>>feel better if he had killed his enemies with guns?
>
>
>
>What about the hundreds of thousands of shiites in the south? mass
graves
>
>are turning up everywhere. I guess, if you weren't Sunni Bathist's, I
>
>guess you weren't "Saddam's people".
>
>
>
>>#3- No, there aren't any documents showing cooperation with Al Quaeda.
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>None
>
>>not one. Bear this in mind: Al Quaeda wants a Theocracy. Saddam
felt
>
>>theocracies were his natural enemy. Would you align with yolur
natural
>
>>enemy?
>
>
>
>I thought I quashed that argument weeks ago. If this is true, why then
did
>
>Osama bin Laden "align" himself with none other than the "great satan"
in
>
>afghanistan against the russians? This argument is such a non-starter
as
>
>to be comical. the enemy of your enemy is your friend. If they
thought
>
>Saddam could further their goals, al-q would accept help from saddam.
>
>
>
>>#4-No, the bell hadn't rung. No troops were on planes or ships, no
shots
>
>>were fired. Besides, he had been cooperating with the UN. GW tells
you
>
>>they weren't, but the UN didn't agree with GW. GW was just in a race
to
>
>war
>
>>facts and evidence be damned.
>
>
>
>He only started 'cooperating' with the UN after we started rattling our
>
>sword and surrounded him with troops and planes on full alert.
>
>
>
>>Check the facts, look at the history. It will be clear to you that
this
>
>>administration has a history of lying and distorting, right down to
the
>
>>prisoner abuse which is turning pretty horrific. Now it appears we
are
>
>>hiring mercenaries in Afghanistan to run their own private jails?
That is
>
>>just sick, just plain sick.
>
>
>
>I'm sure the orders for abu grahb came directly from gwb himself. we
have
>
>an open investigation, reforms made once the abuse was discovered,
those
>
>responsible being prosecuted.... but I guess nothing short of gwb
falling
>
>on his sword would be enough for you, eh booth? Or better yet, his
being
>
>beheaded on video tape and broadcast on al-jazeera.
>
>
>
>Rick
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>
>
>
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