My argument against vouchers is at another level. You are talking about improving the bailing bucket, I am saying "lets fix the boat". Vouchers in barrios are worthless because no one there really cares and no one outside the barrio cares, either. They need appropriate schooling and vouchers won t do it. --------------------------------- Booth Martin http://www.martinvt.com --------------------------------- -------Original Message------- From: Open discssion among iSeries Users Date: 07/26/04 12:34:37 To: Open discssion among iSeries Users Subject: Re: [CPF0000] Vouchers (was: Things Republicans believe:) >Vouchering has the same predictable results as our >contracting of prisoner services in the mid-east. > Booth, Rick gave an excellent answer to your list, but you need to check your sources. They are outright lying to you. The only negative result I've ever heard about was the falling short of expectations, but that's only where they apply the same bureaucratic rules to them, like the restrictions on the Florida state vouchers, where /only/ students in government schools that get a "failing grade" can qualify, and then only a restricted set of schools (I believe). That way, the NEA gets at least a partial chances of seeing the thing falter, because these are students who already have been handicapped by inferior education. Also, that's one way where they can compare apples to cucumbers and say it's the same thing. <quote> The results would include no true accountability, run-away contractor costs, no auditing, child abuse, and lying about services offered </quote> So Booth would not consider sending his own child to a private or Christian school if he lived in (pick the worst area in your neighborhood) if he were given a voucher to place his child into the school of his choice? Hmmm.... >2. run-away contractor costs..who's costs are running away? > > The average private school spends about half as much per student as the government schools. The average private school student from those schools always scores consistently and substantially better in all tests (like the SAT) than the government schools, for half the money. The average Christian schooled students do consistently better in all areas than the private schools. The average home-schooled student in the U.S. consistently scores better on those same tests than the average Christian school student. >5. child abuse. So, you're saying that private schools abuse children, >but none of that goes on public schools? I'd like to see your figures, or >is that just how you feel about it. > > > I have a neighbor boy who was beat up because he refused drugs from somebody in his first days at a new government school. Booth, that's the point, instead of improving, the public schools are going from disaster to worse disaster every year, academically, morally, economically (costs). Even the private schools have been affected somewhat, getting pulled down and sucked back by taking care of former government school students, and some for following bureaucrat-tower guidelines. <Buck> Mum taught me to read early on (thus my unusual spelling habits) and encouraged me where she couldn't actually teach me. This despite having 5 children in 6 years. </Buck> So you got the "home-school advantage", along with the "early reader advantage". I raised ten kids, they got their start in home school, all but one learned to read before they went to the government schools. That youngest one has the hardest time with reading and everything academic. And their statistics are actually helping prop up the government school numbers from being even worse. They now include two Stanford grads (full aid), one valedictorian (the other one was number eight), and another future Stanford student who is one of the top three in her class. This from the advantages you also had, Buck. Alan P.S. And these issues don't even consider the rights to free exercise!
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