Rick, I'm not condemning anyone for anything. Jim said that because of his faith he at least has a moral compass, implying that people without faith in God can't be moral. I personally find that insulting and condescending. You say that your are not a religious person yet you have respect for people who are. Why is that? Do you feel they are better people than you because they hold beliefs that you don't? Do you have equal respect for Bhuddists? How about American Indians? Wiccans? Hedonists? Just because people have a strong faith in something doesn't make what they believe true or their allegiance to that faith noble.. I have respect for people who are good and decent. There are many good and decent Christians but there are also far too many who are petty, self-righteous, and judgmental. Declaring yourself a Christian doesn't automatically grant you the high road but many people think it does. Can you understand my concern about having a government of such people? I personally believe that religion is nothing but a bunch of fairy tales, although far more dangerous because people actually think they are true and insist that everybody live their lives according to their rules (although they often exempt themselves). Why do you find it hard to respect my belief? Albert -----Original Message----- From: cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [SMTP:cpf0000-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rick.baird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:34 AM To: Open discssion among iSeries Users Subject: RE: [CPF0000] The discussion of Christians. Albert, I'm not going to argue the Bible, as I've not read it. I'm not going to argue for any one religion because, though I was raised a Christian, and in my own way believe in that faith, my own religious practices are pretty ambiguous. But I do have enormous respect for people of faith, and the same for basic Judeo/Christian morality. It galls me to hear people condemned for their faith. Living by the conviction of your religion doesn't make you more or less dangerous than someone who has no faith. I would argue the opposite. Most of us live in a land of laws. Religion is the source for all basic laws (one set being the 10 commandments - which are pretty good ones) . All other laws spawn from these. Maybe religion was an invention of man to impose general morals on the masses. Maybe not. But it works exceedingly well for the vast majority of humanity. That's really about all i've got to say on the subject. Rick ---------original message-------------- I don't know that it is a true statement that moral decisions are a black and white issue. Our lives have many levels of complexity. For example, many people are opposed to gay marriage but I haven't heard any credible reason why. By following some arbitrary "moral compass" they hurt other people . I can't see why that is a good thing. And I can't see that the bible is a good tool to use when making these choices as it contradicts itself in many places. You then need a moral guide (minister, preacher, etc) to tell you what the bible really means. So your moral choices are filtered through that person. Sort of "morality by proxy". After all, when you say you believe in God that is only partially true. All that you know about God came from other people so, in essence, you are really putting your faith in those people to tell you the truth. However, they don't have any more information then you do. All they have is the stories that were told to them. _______________________________________________ This is the Open discssion among iSeries Users (CPF0000) mailing list To post a message email: CPF0000@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/cpf0000 or email: CPF0000-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/cpf0000.
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