RE: [CPF0000] Good new, bad news about Hewlett-Packard and American Workers...

["Booth Martin" <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Desperation.  I understand that.  That makes sense.

The good news is that history shows us the answers as well as the problems. 
This is not a zero sum game.  The World's standard of living is improving. 
Thats a good thing for us because we are part of the World.  Individuals
have to adapt but thats not a problem.  We've adapted for thousands of years
  Part of our adapting has to be a willingness to accept the inevitable.   
 
 
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Booth Martin   http://www.MartinVT.com
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From: Open discssion among iSeries Users
Date: 01/14/04 17:44:53
To: 'Open discssion among iSeries Users'
Subject: RE: [CPF0000] Good new,bad news about Hewlett-Packard and American
Workers...
 
-->please give an example from history to demonstrate your position.
I probably couldn't...
My position is born of desperation, over reaction, over compensation to the
forces at work on the economy and American dream.
It sickens me to know the generation after me has less opportunity than I
did. I form this opinion from what I see & read casually, I hope I am wrong,
but I doubt it.
 
I am just as wrong as the wrongest of souls, with my thought pattern, I
would likely make "those countries" wastelands by force before allowing the
wholesale release of all of our "American inspired" "American owned"
economic fortunes.
I think it is too late.
Don't know enough about economy to understand the shifting of ownership. All
I know is they are buying our property, leasing our ports, buying our
shipping lines, and on and on and on....So I think we are not "we" anymore,
as I knew it.
This is because free trade up until now seems to be spoke of as "We
Americans agree to give, you can still have your control mechanisms in place
so you will always win". We don't care if we loose an industry or two... The
American economy is big enough to absorb anything you can through at us"
 
Those same people can't even tell you "ball park" employment projections for
the next month.
The economic wizards?  I am really not qualified to speak about an economy,
but it amazes me how wrong so many of the so called wizards I hear/see on TV
appear to me. From one issue to the next --->dumb and dumber.
 
I see it as leaving the bank vault door wide open all night, not as "may the
better man win"
There is no such thing as self-correcting, self-this and self-that without
major unnecessary hurt on my red blooded American neighbors BECAUSE the only
people playing by our rules, in our position to loose big is -us-.
 
-->The truth remains that when we workers get done complaining
-->we jump in our
-->foreign made car and  drive to Wal-Mart to buy the foreign
-->made clothes from
-->minimum wage clerks, and stop for a fast food meal served to
-->us by minimum
-->wage workers.   All we care about when we are buying is cheapest.
True True True.
 
I think the main difference from a parallel history is: ability.
We are ABLE to change things, why not?
Should I sit back a let the communists take my country while I am watching
prime time or how cold it is in the northeast?
It would seem that sooner our later I would be a street dweller. I believe
that the more street dwellers we produce, the closer we all are to that
life, unless we leave the country.
 
I can't imagine what 20 something's are thinking.
 
Your view seems to be that history's lessons are inevitable for us and
likely, we might as well capitulate and save energy.
I think things are fluid, only repeating for those allowing or desiring.
There has never been an internet. Never been a wholesale exodus of labor
because "Look boss what the internet can do for our labor costs"
 
I truly believe in the ever expanding pie and the "abundance mentality"
But I have common sense too, that is a BIG pie to add filling to in my work
life.
 
I like my heated home. I will vote for "immediate action", then we can stop
and ponder about it.
 
We want cheapest because it takes 2 incomes to buy that "junk".
In 1970 terms, it seems expensive. Wal-Mart is just the least expensive game
of today.
 
Mark Villa in Summerville SC