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Re: Re: ICCA members



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At 01:06 PM 11/1/2002 -0600, Steve Landess wrote:

> > From: "Patrick Conner" <pwconner@charter.net>
> > To: consult400@midrange.com
> > Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:11:06 -0500
> > Subject: [Consult400] ICCA members
> >
>
>As part owner of a consulting firm that has employed as many as 120
>consultants (mostly full-time employees), and in a position of being a
>hiring manager, here's my 2 cents worth:
>
> > How many of you are members of the Independent Computer
> > Consultants Assoc. (ICCA)? I was thinking of joining.
>
>I am not a member of ICCA.  I have looked at what they have to offer, and it
>looks to me that they are oriented towards one-man shops.  I already have in
>place most of the benefits that they might offer.  If I were on my own, I
>might consider joining.  That's not to say that it might benefit you.
>
>You need to measure the benefits that you gain to the cost.  If your current
>insurance premium is $ 500.00 per month and you can reduce it to $ 300.00
>per month by joining ICCA, then this alone would justify it.
>
>
> > Also, I've been looking at the Certified Computer
> > Profession certification. Is that worth anything?
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this.  Back when I did, I was not
>particularly impressed with the certifications offered by the ICCP.  In the
>past, when I investigated it, the certification examinations were based on
>questions that were oriented toward legacy systems.
>
>In fact, when I see CCP or CDP behind someone's name (no offense to you,
>Roger), I am more likely to be prejudiced NOT to hire them.  I have a
>Bachelor of Business Administration AND a Master's degree in Human Relations
>and Business, but I don't sign my letters with BBA/MS behind my
>signature...I think that's a little pretentious.  Even if I had a doctoral
>degree, I don't think that I would sign my correspondence Stephen Landess,
>PhD.
>
>Again, I think that you need to evaluate the benefits you will gain versus
>the cost and time required to obtain the certification.  I measure them in
>terms of dollars.  This may be somewhat difficult to quantify, unless someon
>e can provide you with empirical proof in the form that they made X dollars
>from 1991 thru 1995, then got certified and made Y dollars from 1996 thru
>2002, and can directly attribute the increase (if any) to the certifications
>obtained.
>
>Since graduation from college in 1977, I have been lucky enough to work in
>many S/34, S/36, S/38, and AS/400 shops that had multiple employees and many
>different commercial software packages.  I have learned MUCH more from
>studying the code written by vendors and my peers than I will ever learn
>from having formal certifications.
>
>On the other hand, If I ever have time to attend another COMMON conference
>(or if they are offered in a site convenient to me), I MAY be inclined to
>take some of the IBM certification tests, just to get an idea of what they
>consider appropriate knowledge to qualify as certified.  Even then, I
>wouldn't probably sign my correspondence with Stephen Landess, IBM Certified
>Specialist.  To me, this smells of someone who is inexperienced and is
>trying to gain credence with the certification.
>
>No offense intended...
>
>And, as always, that's just my opinion
>
>
>Steve Landess
>Austin, Texas
>(512) 423-0935
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