Re: Fwd: COMMON Approacheth...

I, too, am a "former" member of AS/UG, and was very disappointed when it 
suddenly
disappeared.  In spite of SSA's pretty much dropping the product (just try 
getting
any support from the help line!), I'm sure there are still many people using the
product that might be interested in a revival.  A former co-worker is now 
working
with ODW at SSA, and says it's very close in structure to ADK ... and claims 
it's
a fairly good product, at least in it's most recent form.  This tells me there's
value to me keeping my hands in AS/SET, which I had begun to doubt.  Any chance 
of
getting some people together at COMMON?   (One good thing that came out of my
trips to the AS/UG meetings was that I've finally tried to give COMMON a try ...
looking forward to New Orleans this weekend!)

Lisa Abney
Universal Flavors / Indianapolis

DAsmussen wrote:

> Jerome,
>
>  In a message dated 98-04-16 09:36:39 EDT, you write:
>
>  <<snip>>
>  > We were supposed to morph into SSTUF (SSA Systems Technical Users Forum)
>  >  but got so tired of hearing how the AS/400 didn't matter that interest
>  >  waned.
>  >
>  >  Any other AS/UG folk monitoring this?
>
>  I attended Fall '95 AS/UG in Chicago, in the stead of my primary client at
> the time.  I listened to Mr. Shakir say that AS/Set was dead, and that your
> AS/Set programs wouldn't convert to ODW because it was procedural, and ODW was
> object-oriented (after he showed up 4 hours late and said that his Mercedes
> broke down -- you can't tell _ME_ that they don't have taxicabs in Chicago, or
> that Riz couldn't _afford_ one (:).  I also watched Jim Franch's jaw drop to
> his chest after someone mentioned Mr. Shakir's quote during a COMMON session,
> and ask "why would have I just put BPCS into AS/Set if it was a dead
> product?".  Why indeed.  Another case (no pun intended) of the left hand not
> knowing what the right was doing at headquarters...
>
>  IMO, AS/UG was a _FANTASTIC_ forum that should have done more to incorporate
> BPCS users.  Instead, there were a bunch of hacked-off people that had just
> purchased AS/Set hearing that they had poured their money down a hole.  Sean
> Adams' (of Q-Inter Systems in Canada) presentation on using SQL in AS/Set was
> just what V5 and (and now, V6) newbies needed.  Yes, I'm biased -- I worked
> with Sean in Chicago on the C/S-COM prototype that was _supposed_ to have been
> released with V_5_.  Other sessions were good as well, and are sorely missed.
>
>  The membership requirements issue was _ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS_.  AS/UG wasn't
> affiliated with SSA in any way, form, or fashion -- so who _CARES_ where the
> checks come from as long as they don't bounce?  OK, maybe you wouldn't want
> reporters attending; however, a few consultants that didn't bother to purchase
> AS/Set would enhance the group, IMO.  Speaking of which, _MY_ check from the
> Fall '95 conference is still outstanding -- what happened to the money????
>
>  The forum was good, and I'd be more than willing to help get it moving again
> if anyone is interested...
>
>  Regards!
>
>  Dean Asmussen
>  Enterprise Systems Consulting, Inc.
>  Fuquay-Varina, NC  USA
>  E-Mail:  DAsmussen@aol.com
>
>  "If we fill our hours with regrets over yesterday, and with worries over
> tomorrow, we will have no time to be thankful for today." -- Anonymous
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: COMMON Approacheth...
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:52:32 EDT
> From: DAsmussen <DAsmussen@aol.com>
> Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
> To: Jromeh@aol.com
>
> Jerome,
>
> In a message dated 98-04-16 09:36:39 EDT, you write:
>
> <<snip>>
> > We were supposed to morph into SSTUF (SSA Systems Technical Users Forum)
> >  but got so tired of hearing how the AS/400 didn't matter that interest
> >  waned.
> >
> >  Any other AS/UG folk monitoring this?
>
> I attended Fall '95 AS/UG in Chicago, in the stead of my primary client at the
> time.  I listened to Mr. Shakir say that AS/Set was dead, and that your AS/Set
> programs wouldn't convert to ODW because it was procedural, and ODW was
> object-oriented (after he showed up 4 hours late and said that his Mercedes
> broke down -- you can't tell _ME_ that they don't have taxicabs in Chicago, or
> that Riz couldn't _afford_ one (:).  I also watched Jim Franch's jaw drop to
> his chest after someone mentioned Mr. Shakir's quote during a COMMON session,
> and ask "why would have I just put BPCS into AS/Set if it was a dead
> product?".  Why indeed.  Another case (no pun intended) of the left hand not
> knowing what the right was doing at headquarters...
>
> IMO, AS/UG was a _FANTASTIC_ forum that should have done more to incorporate
> BPCS users.  Instead, there were a bunch of hacked-off people that had just
> purchased AS/Set hearing that they had poured their money down a hole.  Sean
> Adams' (of Q-Inter Systems in Canada) presentation on using SQL in AS/Set was
> just what V5 and (and now, V6) newbies needed.  Yes, I'm biased -- I worked
> with Sean in Chicago on the C/S-COM prototype that was _supposed_ to have been
> released with V_5_.  Other sessions were good as well, and are sorely missed.
>
> The membership requirements issue was _ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS_.  AS/UG wasn't
> affiliated with SSA in any way, form, or fashion -- so who _CARES_ where the
> checks come from as long as they don't bounce?  OK, maybe you wouldn't want
> reporters attending; however, a few consultants that didn't bother to purchase
> AS/Set would enhance the group, IMO.  Speaking of which, _MY_ check from the
> Fall '95 conference is still outstanding -- what happened to the money????
>
> The forum was good, and I'd be more than willing to help get it moving again
> if anyone is interested...
>
> Regards!
>
> Dean Asmussen
> Enterprise Systems Consulting, Inc.
> Fuquay-Varina, NC  USA
> E-Mail:  DAsmussen@aol.com
>
> "If we fill our hours with regrets over yesterday, and with worries over
> tomorrow, we will have no time to be thankful for today." -- Anonymous



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